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20 September 2006 @ 01:54 pm
Post-House Post Party!  
Heya! This be the official Post-House Post Party! ennui_blue_lite, flufshepherd, and maxine_penborne, come on down!

Anyone else who wants to discuss yesterday's House is more than welcome, but be warned - spoilers aplenty in the comments (but please only discuss eps and promos which have already been aired in the U.S.; I'm staying unspoiled for future eps!).

Let the dissection begin! *g*

ETA - by the way, feel free to jump in and respond to others' comments as well - it's a post party, not just a conversation with me! So mingle, y'all! But let's keep it gentle - this is a friendly gathering, not a bar brawl. :) Oh, and on that note - psst! ennui just said something inflammatory about RSL... *evilgrin*
 
 
How do I feel?: amusedamused
What do I hear?: Things That Scare Me - Neko Case
 
 
 
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Sky: [house] house neckskyblue_reverie on September 20th, 2006 09:16 pm (UTC)
Oh, very interesting indeed! I'll be curious to hear your list when you have time. Overall, I liked it. I wasn't terribly enthralled with the POTW plot, but I felt like the writers are slowly continuing in their return to form after the dreadful season opener.

But I often find that my opinion is swayed by other people's, so I'll be very curious indeed to get more detail on why you didn't like it.

Sleep well, my dear!
ennui_blue_lite: house-smileennui_blue_lite on September 20th, 2006 10:11 pm (UTC)
Goodness! I'm surprised by both of your oppinions- I was very impressed with this episode. While last week’s was good, I was mainly thrilled with it because I was relieved- House was going back to normal. This one was just plain superior in many, many ways.

My feelings about Cameron as a character are…uneven. Sometimes I like her quite a lot and sometimes I could do without her emotional outbursts. Tonight, I emphasized with her- suddenly she was faced with a serious issue and was forced to choose a stance on it. That’s not always easy, and I sympathized with the emotional journey she made throughout the episode. In particular, I liked the fact that she was so torn on her decision that she attempted to simply abandon the case. It felt very true to me, that she would ignore a problem that she could not solve- we’ve seen her do it before. And, IMHO, it made her final choice all the more powerful. I was actually caught off guard by it.

I was, however, surprised that House didn’t administer the morphine himself shortly after informing Ezra that he was terminal.

Wilson, however, was a low point. As a character, he grows more and more useless as the show progresses. The writers either need to do something with him or chuck him. He fills no purpose aside from overanalyzing House and looking into a microscope. I liked what one person on TWOP said: “RSL is probably saying the words, ‘it’s not cancer,’ in his sleep by now.” It’s really a shame- he was starting to become kind of interesting near the end of season 2.

House and the teenage girl- this is an arch that could turn out very, very well or very, very badly. House hilariously shouting, “You can’t stop our love!” in the promo gives me hope. As it is, he may be flattered and he may think that she’s hot, but the way he rolls his eyes when he finds the calendar on his desk tells me that it’s unlikely House will take her very seriously.

Joel Grey was awesome. I liked the fact that the patient wasn't a good person, but that he stood by what he did 100%. When he told Cameron that concent forms and patients rights get in the way of progress, and she turned it on him by doing the skin test against his will, he could have looked shame-faced or gotten mad. But he said, "Good for you." He was wrong, IMO, but consistantly wrong, and I liked that.

I was actually quite moved by the end. And wasn’t that a great montage? Normally I don’t like them, but they chose a perfect song (though I don’t know what it was). I especially liked the last scene between House and Cameron. It wasn’t shippy (which is good), but it was moving all the same. It’s a rare thing to see House show any feelings toward his fellows.


Next week- an autistic boy? They sure are getting a lot of children patients lately. Maybe it has something to do with the success of “Autopsy” and “All In”.

PS/sidenote- skyblue, about the badfic...ouch. I'm going to have fun with this one.
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purridot on September 20th, 2006 11:20 pm (UTC)
Hope you don't mind me posting my opinion?

I am furious. I can't even summon up that much enthusiasm.

I intensely disliked Cameron's drama queen moral stance -- her own husband died of cancer. Surely she has had some sort of thoughts on euthanasia before? Please. And House is "proud" of her? Ewww. That just seems like the wrong thing to say out loud. I cringed horribly, and not just because House touched Cameron in such a sappy way.

I have no clue what the writers are up to. I feel I don't know the characters any more. I'm sure not liking them.

(Chase was great, though -- at least he took a stand on something.)
Sky: [house] h-w otpskyblue_reverie on September 20th, 2006 11:35 pm (UTC)
Welcome, welcome! The more, the merrier! Or, you know, the snarkier - whatever! :)

I agree on not liking Cam this ep at all. And I hadn't even remembered her own Poor Dead Husband! How could I forget? In fact, how could Cam have let us forget - she drags him into every single semi-relevant conversation!! You're right - she totally would have faced this issue before, and she would have busted out with her morally righteous opinion based on her experience with the PDH.

I totally cringed at the "proud" moment too - so out of character for House! And true - not really the appropriate expression there. Ick.

I agree - for maybe the first time ever, I cheered for Chase! Go Chase! But then of course it wasn't what he thought it was, which even I saw coming. So, kind of dumb, but at least he has the courage of his convictions.

Do you (or does anyone) happen to know if there was a major turnover in the writing staff over the hiatus or something? It really feels like they're a bit at sea with their characterization. ESPECIALLY with Wilson - wtf, writers?!
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Fluffy: Jeeves tucks in Bertieflufshepherd on September 20th, 2006 11:57 pm (UTC)
So... My opinions. :-)

I'm completely unsure of whether or not I liked this episode. It's weird, 'cause usually I know, but this episode was so... I don't know!

I think that this House/17-year-old plotline is very risky. I really hope they're not doing this just to put out a really dislikeable pairing to soften the blow for a different one. Like House/Cameron or something. It's probably not what they're doing, but, still, one can only worry.

And, it may just be me, but I really feel like every moment that the H/Cameron shippers are squeeing over is sort of squishing the pairing. Like, in Meaning, when he asks her out, and in this episode with the hand/shoulder nonsense. I really feel like this scene had a teacher/student or father/daughter feel and nothing else.

Chase has been so wonderful this season. That's really all I have to say on that subject, so I'll move on to...

Wilson. Where was he? Wherever he keeps hiding, can somebody go find him and tell him to come out and play? I'm finding it difficult to squee over somebody if they refuse to show up.

The writers are really wasting an amazing actor when they don't have him in every single scene.

Hm... what else, what else?

Oh! skyblue_reverie! I made a good twenty-something icons out of all those caps I took. I'm going to make some House icons and some more Buffy icons before I do an icon post, though, but it's very possible that you might be seeing them quite soon. Thanks for getting me back in my icon-making mood!
Sky: [fry & laurie] legs closeupskyblue_reverie on September 21st, 2006 12:28 am (UTC)
I can see being unsure. There are aspects I'm still unsure of myself, like with the whole POTW/moral dilemma thing. It definitely needs more thought, and probably a re-watch or two.

Oh no! I didn't even think of the fact that they might be softening the blow for a House/Cam pairing! I hope not! Ick ick ick. Even if not, that subplot could easily go off the rails and just become super dumb. But we shall see. I'll remain very cautiously optimistic for the moment.

I agree that the "proud" moment didn't feel at all shippy to me - but then I've been known to get all squeeful over House/Wilson casual touches/glances/whatever that make everyone else roll their eyes at me. So I can't really complain too much when the House/Cam people get excited. ;)

Chase has been pretty cool. We need more Foreman, and definitely more Wilson - only we need REAL Wilson, not the stupid pod!Wilson from the last couple of eps. Come on writers, get it together!

Oooh - more icons! I can't wait! Yayness!!! You're very welcome, although I didn't do anything - you're the one with the amazing icon skillz! Oh - any further thoughts on the icon for the bad!fic? As you may have gathered from the other comments here, I've written the thing up, and ennui_blue_lite is going to MST it, and we'd talked about you making an icon for it - it's a team effort! Do you want to see a draft? I warn you, it will make your brain melt and your eyeballs bleed!
ennui_blue_lite: house-smileennui_blue_lite on September 21st, 2006 12:43 am (UTC)
Chase has been pretty cool. We need more Foreman, and definitely more Wilson - only we need REAL Wilson, not the stupid pod!Wilson from the last couple of eps. Come on writers, get it together!

Oh yes, PLEASE bring back real Wilson! Do you remember back when everyone thought that Wilson was a nice guy, and then we started learning about this... disfunctional darkness he had in him? Also, I want to know exactly what the writers have against showing House and Wilson in a light, funny scene in which they are friends? Like, I don't know, a scene where they're playing cards and discussing barnical genitalia? Come on, writers, that was great! Bring it back!

BTW, RSL can act a scene quite well when they give him something to work with. But you're right, they've given him nothing. Still... I think the Housefans have a tendency to overrate his abilities. He's really just okay, IMO.
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maxine_penborne on September 21st, 2006 02:45 am (UTC)
Aaarrrgghhh... this episode irked me rather badly for some odd reason. The blonde girl HAS TO GO. *shudder* All I can hope is that all her creepy stalking will scare the hell out of House and drive him to Wilson. ^^;;; Cameron...meh. She was slightly better in this episode... Chase made me happy though, he stuck with House when he though he was going to euthanise the patient. *shrug* The blond girl ruined it for me... *sigh*
Sky: [j&w] bertie smile animatedskyblue_reverie on September 21st, 2006 03:01 am (UTC)
Heh. The blonde girl was quite irksome, I agree. Still, it's kind of nice for House to get a bit of an ego boost. I just hope they don't make her like stupid scary stalker girl of DOOM! or something. That'd be really dumb. But I totally agree it'd be nice if it drives House to Wilson! Or maybe it'll make Wilson jealous and drive him to House. Either way!

Cam better this episode? Really? I liked her way better last ep. I agree that Chase made me happy, though. He's starting to show some potential!

I must admit that Foreman's total self-involvement and ass-covering amuses me. :)
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ennui_blue_lite: house-smileennui_blue_lite on September 21st, 2006 03:09 pm (UTC)
I don't know if this will make you feel any better, but a)The actress playing Ali is 20 and b)in NJ, the age of consent is actually 16, so Ali would be legal anyhow.

I actually think that House is handling the girl situation in a mature, realistic fashion (thus far, anyway). She's a pretty girl, fully developed, and he's taken a look. Men look. It's what they do. Still, he's hardly embraced this girl, and I doubt he's going to take her seriously. Think about how he rolled his eyes when he saw the callender. Think about the hillarious "You can't stop our love!" comment from the preview. No, the writers aren't going to go there. Trust me, I don't want it to happen either.

I agree with you on Cam being in character and Joel Grey being awsome.

and House telling Cameron he was proud. I agree with skyblue completely here. he would have done something to show it without comment. or touching.

How would you prefer it be done, if I might ask? Take away the touch and comment, and all you would have is House walking in, seeing a crying Cameron, and walking out. Without the "I'm proud of you" comment, how would anyone have figured out what happened?
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(no subject) - skyblue_reverie on September 21st, 2006 07:25 pm (UTC) (Expand)
ennui_blue_lite: house-smileennui_blue_lite on September 22nd, 2006 02:12 am (UTC)
Ahhhhrrgg! You're going to get me in trouble with the Wilson!lovers, putting something like that in your OP!

*Makes mental note to write MST with extra-mean, extra-personal insults toward the author.*
ennui_blue_lite: house-smileennui_blue_lite on September 22nd, 2006 02:23 am (UTC)
Okay, okay, to placate any Wilson!lover's attacks, I'll post something good and slashy.

Mazzy Star (it was her song "Into Dust" at the end of the episode) has a song on the same CD called "Blue Light". The first verse goes:



"There's a blue light in my best friend's room
There's a blue light in his eyes
There's a blue light
I want to see it
Shine."

That's so Wilson thinking about House's blue eyes, no?
(no subject) - skyblue_reverie on September 22nd, 2006 02:37 am (UTC) (Expand)
Sky: [j&w] concerned facesskyblue_reverie on September 22nd, 2006 02:35 am (UTC)
*cuddles and snuggles you* Aww! Please don't be mad at me! *g* Anyway, I think you're safe - river is the biggest Wilson lover on my f-list, and she was too distracted by her fury about the blonde stalker!chick to worry about any RSL slights. :)

No, no personal insults please! I promise I won't be bad again. *sniffle* *puppy dog eyes*

p.s. If it really bugs you I'm happy to edit and take it out. :D
(no subject) - ennui_blue_lite on September 22nd, 2006 02:38 am (UTC) (Expand)
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